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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed reading your blog. Lots of great info. I was taking a short hike with my girlfriend when we discovered our first hens surrounding an oak. Not being sure of what it was, I took a photo and sent it to a friend who has been collecting for thirty years. He instantly texted back &quot;Queen of the fall mushrooms&quot;, pick it. We had to make two trips back to the car with our treasure. Love the recipes . Found a hen at the base of a very old maple last week. All others this season on Oaks. I bought a dehydrator to dry some of our catch. Plan on using in soups and stews.
Does spreading the spores of hens past their prime to the base of other old oaks meet with success the following year? Any info on this working?


&lt;em&gt;Hi Ron, and welcome to the blog. 
 
From every bit of information that has come our way it seems as though this has been the best season for Grifola in decades.  As several collectors have commented, &quot;They are everywhere&quot;. An exaggeration to be sure, but it does point up the relative abundance of this (and other) mushrooms this year. One Mycologist suggested that this may be the best year in a century, and will be remembered as such!
As to your question: Since Grifola (like most di- and tri-mitic Polypores) takes such a long time to develop within the substrate of their hosts I don&#039;t think that you can count on spores from this year to produce much in the immediate future. (See the response to Zoe&#039;s question below.) But if you are thinking of your children  - or perhaps grandchildren, well... hope does spring eternal.
Pushing your question just a bit further: To my mind the best thing about mushrooming, better even than consuming a flavorful meal, is the quiet focused search. During melancholy walks in the fall woods I might try to convince myself that I am looking for mushrooms, but if truth be told, I am really searching for parts of myself which have become dislodged by the more hectic activities of a modern life style. To this end the surprise and jolt of energy when I find a new tree (or species) is the thrill which fills my sails and carries me onward. For me, the new find is much more valuable than returning to a known, proven place.
As a boy on our farm in Western Pennsylvania I often became lost in the hills and forests which surrounded the fenced-in gardens and pastures.  It was in those moments, hours, that I came to understand about intuition, self reliance, and what is often referred to as the Godhead Within. I suspect that looking for mushrooms today, and becoming lost in that pursuit, is an expression of that early experience. It is an extension of the known into the unknown. 
In this sense it seems as though (for me) hunting for mushrooms is expansive whereas cultivation or gardening is grounding. Both obviously have their place, time and function.
Zounds!  I didn&#039;t know your simple question would take me here, but here it is!  Thanks for asking.
 
Bill
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading your blog. Lots of great info. I was taking a short hike with my girlfriend when we discovered our first hens surrounding an oak. Not being sure of what it was, I took a photo and sent it to a friend who has been collecting for thirty years. He instantly texted back &#8220;Queen of the fall mushrooms&#8221;, pick it. We had to make two trips back to the car with our treasure. Love the recipes . Found a hen at the base of a very old maple last week. All others this season on Oaks. I bought a dehydrator to dry some of our catch. Plan on using in soups and stews.<br />
Does spreading the spores of hens past their prime to the base of other old oaks meet with success the following year? Any info on this working?</p>
<p><em>Hi Ron, and welcome to the blog. </p>
<p>From every bit of information that has come our way it seems as though this has been the best season for Grifola in decades.  As several collectors have commented, &#8220;They are everywhere&#8221;. An exaggeration to be sure, but it does point up the relative abundance of this (and other) mushrooms this year. One Mycologist suggested that this may be the best year in a century, and will be remembered as such!<br />
As to your question: Since Grifola (like most di- and tri-mitic Polypores) takes such a long time to develop within the substrate of their hosts I don&#8217;t think that you can count on spores from this year to produce much in the immediate future. (See the response to Zoe&#8217;s question below.) But if you are thinking of your children  &#8211; or perhaps grandchildren, well&#8230; hope does spring eternal.<br />
Pushing your question just a bit further: To my mind the best thing about mushrooming, better even than consuming a flavorful meal, is the quiet focused search. During melancholy walks in the fall woods I might try to convince myself that I am looking for mushrooms, but if truth be told, I am really searching for parts of myself which have become dislodged by the more hectic activities of a modern life style. To this end the surprise and jolt of energy when I find a new tree (or species) is the thrill which fills my sails and carries me onward. For me, the new find is much more valuable than returning to a known, proven place.<br />
As a boy on our farm in Western Pennsylvania I often became lost in the hills and forests which surrounded the fenced-in gardens and pastures.  It was in those moments, hours, that I came to understand about intuition, self reliance, and what is often referred to as the Godhead Within. I suspect that looking for mushrooms today, and becoming lost in that pursuit, is an expression of that early experience. It is an extension of the known into the unknown.<br />
In this sense it seems as though (for me) hunting for mushrooms is expansive whereas cultivation or gardening is grounding. Both obviously have their place, time and function.<br />
Zounds!  I didn&#8217;t know your simple question would take me here, but here it is!  Thanks for asking.</p>
<p>Bill<br />
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		<title>By: Bruce Arkwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Arkwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear the people in Erie PA are a butch of losers, I am a forager and can not find a store or restaurant that will buy my hens or other mushrooms, being unemployed, they are not helping me one bit. This sucks big time.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Bruce,

I&#039;m sorry - and a bit surprised - to hear you&#039;re having trouble finding a market for wild mushrooms. Usually the problem is just the opposite (bull market encouraging heedless, ecosystem-damaging harvesting). I can&#039;t say for sure, but your comment suggests retail may not be your strength. Brokers don&#039;t pay as much, but they do pay.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear the people in Erie PA are a butch of losers, I am a forager and can not find a store or restaurant that will buy my hens or other mushrooms, being unemployed, they are not helping me one bit. This sucks big time.</p>
<p><em>Hi Bruce,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; and a bit surprised &#8211; to hear you&#8217;re having trouble finding a market for wild mushrooms. Usually the problem is just the opposite (bull market encouraging heedless, ecosystem-damaging harvesting). I can&#8217;t say for sure, but your comment suggests retail may not be your strength. Brokers don&#8217;t pay as much, but they do pay.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great article! Thank you! In my *very* limited experience collecting hens (this is our first year, and it&#039;s been a bountiful one), it seems that maybe they favor &quot;yard&quot; trees, as opposed to forest trees... Or those growing out more or less in the open, in grass, instead of in the woods? Your article mentions that the fungus infects the tree&#039;s roots... So I&#039;m curious if trees that have had their roots damaged, say by a lawnmower, would be especially likely to host hens?

Also wanted to mention... The first hens we found this year were all small, in a little ring around a maple tree (don&#039;t know species of maple). The rest have been on oaks, mostly in the same park as the maple.

&lt;em&gt;
Hi Zoe,
 
Welcome to the blog and thanks for your comment. Your question reminds me of the old saw about the fellow who looked for his lost keys around the lamp-post because the light was better there.  I guess frondosus may be easier to spot in open areas compared to the woods, but almost all of the fruitings I have found in 40+ years of collecting them were on trees in the woods. The few not in the deep woods were usually on large old oaks at the forest/pasture edge.  Given your observation, it may be that someone else was able to beat me to the ones visible in the yards.
 
I have found Hens on Maple only three times, all in separate years at the base of the same Maple - which was at the edge of a yard.
 
But, as they say about finding Morels; they are where you find them.
 
I am not familiar with the precise mechanism by which G. frondosus becomes a pathogen of oaks. There are a web pages with a wide range of views which appear when a Google search of &quot;Grifola root damage&quot;. One from Europe postulates that within the extensive life span of a 300 year old Oak tree the same species of fungus (Grifola) can operate as a symbiont partner. a weak parasite, and a severe pathogen at different times in the lengthy evolving relationship of the two species. In this scenario, the &#039;infection&#039; is likely to have begun prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine, let alone lawn mower. http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/fungi-pictures/33528-grifola-frondosa-assessment-thermo-twist-2.html
 
By contrast, in a quite straightforward paper from North Carolina, the lawn-mower hypothesis is cited as a cause of damage which allows fungal spores to penetrate and take up residence within the Oak Tree. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/pp/notes/Ornamental/odin30/od30.htm
 
Both of these papers seem to deal with the type of habitat you describe, parks and urban landscapes. 
 
You are lucky to have begun your quest for Grifola in a very good year. Indeed, here in the Hudson Valley, and along the coastal plain in Connecticut  they seem to have been particularly abundant this year (although interestingly they did not reappear on the Maple where I have previously collected them.) 
 
Good luck and let&#039;s see what next year brings, Bill.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article! Thank you! In my *very* limited experience collecting hens (this is our first year, and it&#8217;s been a bountiful one), it seems that maybe they favor &#8220;yard&#8221; trees, as opposed to forest trees&#8230; Or those growing out more or less in the open, in grass, instead of in the woods? Your article mentions that the fungus infects the tree&#8217;s roots&#8230; So I&#8217;m curious if trees that have had their roots damaged, say by a lawnmower, would be especially likely to host hens?</p>
<p>Also wanted to mention&#8230; The first hens we found this year were all small, in a little ring around a maple tree (don&#8217;t know species of maple). The rest have been on oaks, mostly in the same park as the maple.</p>
<p><em><br />
Hi Zoe,</p>
<p>Welcome to the blog and thanks for your comment. Your question reminds me of the old saw about the fellow who looked for his lost keys around the lamp-post because the light was better there.  I guess frondosus may be easier to spot in open areas compared to the woods, but almost all of the fruitings I have found in 40+ years of collecting them were on trees in the woods. The few not in the deep woods were usually on large old oaks at the forest/pasture edge.  Given your observation, it may be that someone else was able to beat me to the ones visible in the yards.</p>
<p>I have found Hens on Maple only three times, all in separate years at the base of the same Maple &#8211; which was at the edge of a yard.</p>
<p>But, as they say about finding Morels; they are where you find them.</p>
<p>I am not familiar with the precise mechanism by which G. frondosus becomes a pathogen of oaks. There are a web pages with a wide range of views which appear when a Google search of &#8220;Grifola root damage&#8221;. One from Europe postulates that within the extensive life span of a 300 year old Oak tree the same species of fungus (Grifola) can operate as a symbiont partner. a weak parasite, and a severe pathogen at different times in the lengthy evolving relationship of the two species. In this scenario, the &#8216;infection&#8217; is likely to have begun prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine, let alone lawn mower. <a href="http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/fungi-pictures/33528-grifola-frondosa-assessment-thermo-twist-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/fungi-pictures/33528-grifola-frondosa-assessment-thermo-twist-2.html</a></p>
<p>By contrast, in a quite straightforward paper from North Carolina, the lawn-mower hypothesis is cited as a cause of damage which allows fungal spores to penetrate and take up residence within the Oak Tree. <a href="http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/pp/notes/Ornamental/odin30/od30.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/pp/notes/Ornamental/odin30/od30.htm</a></p>
<p>Both of these papers seem to deal with the type of habitat you describe, parks and urban landscapes. </p>
<p>You are lucky to have begun your quest for Grifola in a very good year. Indeed, here in the Hudson Valley, and along the coastal plain in Connecticut  they seem to have been particularly abundant this year (although interestingly they did not reappear on the Maple where I have previously collected them.) </p>
<p>Good luck and let&#8217;s see what next year brings, Bill.<br />
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		<title>By: nck</title>
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		<dc:creator>nck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fancypants sandwich??  How about &quot;fancypants&quot; article.

Now, even gathering a mushroom my dago, off the boat parents gathered for years REQUIRES MAINE butter.....MAINE butter.


A &quot;gathering of artists&quot;.......please.


What are you gonna do when hens appear on the cover of uh.........FIELD AND STREAM......suddenly discover that this mushroom is OVERRATED?????

&lt;em&gt;Hello nck,
I&#039;d say &quot;welcome to the blog,&quot; but it doesn&#039;t sound as though you&#039;ll be returning. I&#039;m sorry for that, dissenting voices can add a lot. Vituperation, not so much.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fancypants sandwich??  How about &#8220;fancypants&#8221; article.</p>
<p>Now, even gathering a mushroom my dago, off the boat parents gathered for years REQUIRES MAINE butter&#8230;..MAINE butter.</p>
<p>A &#8220;gathering of artists&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.please.</p>
<p>What are you gonna do when hens appear on the cover of uh&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;FIELD AND STREAM&#8230;&#8230;suddenly discover that this mushroom is OVERRATED?????</p>
<p><em>Hello nck,<br />
I&#8217;d say &#8220;welcome to the blog,&#8221; but it doesn&#8217;t sound as though you&#8217;ll be returning. I&#8217;m sorry for that, dissenting voices can add a lot. Vituperation, not so much.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 17 year old myconut and I had the extreme fortune to find some big hennys growing right on the side of the trail across from my house. LITERALLY NEXT TO THE TRAIL!!!! After processing the nasty bits I was left with 4lbs of edible mushroom so I bagged it and sold it to the local gourmet restaurant for $50. I love hen of the woods for the flavor and for the money and as I find more spots it&#039;s simply more money for me each year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 17 year old myconut and I had the extreme fortune to find some big hennys growing right on the side of the trail across from my house. LITERALLY NEXT TO THE TRAIL!!!! After processing the nasty bits I was left with 4lbs of edible mushroom so I bagged it and sold it to the local gourmet restaurant for $50. I love hen of the woods for the flavor and for the money and as I find more spots it&#8217;s simply more money for me each year!</p>
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		<title>By: Becky Blaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky Blaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I stumbled on this site searching for wild mushroom indentifications.  we have a lot of oak trees and this year there are a lot of Hen of the Woods mmushrooms... anyone interested in harvesting them?  I love mushrooms, but still a bit nervous of eating them since i am not an expert!  ~Becky   blb@cox.net

&lt;em&gt;Welcome, Becky

And thanks for your generous offer! Someone is quite likely to take you up on it - depending on where you live, of course. Restaurant chefs especially, if there are any in your neighborhood and you let them know about it.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I stumbled on this site searching for wild mushroom indentifications.  we have a lot of oak trees and this year there are a lot of Hen of the Woods mmushrooms&#8230; anyone interested in harvesting them?  I love mushrooms, but still a bit nervous of eating them since i am not an expert!  ~Becky   <a href="mailto:blb@cox.net">blb@cox.net</a></p>
<p><em>Welcome, Becky</p>
<p>And thanks for your generous offer! Someone is quite likely to take you up on it &#8211; depending on where you live, of course. Restaurant chefs especially, if there are any in your neighborhood and you let them know about it.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a wonderful mushroom!  I just returned from a rainy trip to a little patch of virgin forest near Ithaca with two nice specimens. For some reason, we left the third one we found, thinking of it as a seed mushroom.... We also got a big bunch of honey mushrooms (armillaria?) but in one moment (the moment I said WOW look at THOSE!!!) we had trumped the honey mushroom haul by triple.  Nice that this mushroom is so easy to identify and such a big one....  Thanks for the recipe and preserving ideas, Bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a wonderful mushroom!  I just returned from a rainy trip to a little patch of virgin forest near Ithaca with two nice specimens. For some reason, we left the third one we found, thinking of it as a seed mushroom&#8230;. We also got a big bunch of honey mushrooms (armillaria?) but in one moment (the moment I said WOW look at THOSE!!!) we had trumped the honey mushroom haul by triple.  Nice that this mushroom is so easy to identify and such a big one&#8230;.  Thanks for the recipe and preserving ideas, Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Merrilee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merrilee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! My son just presented me with a bunch and I am wondering if I have to try to slice the small pores away before I prepare it?

&lt;em&gt;Welcome, Merrilee

and congratulations on your son&#039;s find. No need to cut away the pores - just be sure there is no (gritty) dirt or bugs and you&#039;re good to go!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! My son just presented me with a bunch and I am wondering if I have to try to slice the small pores away before I prepare it?</p>
<p><em>Welcome, Merrilee</p>
<p>and congratulations on your son&#8217;s find. No need to cut away the pores &#8211; just be sure there is no (gritty) dirt or bugs and you&#8217;re good to go!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Donald Chisholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Chisholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to all you lucky hunters.
I live in Madison,WI. and for the last 35 years my Honey
and I have never left the city limits to get these great
mushrooms. We picked about 3 dozen one year and ended up
canning 55 pints of mushrooms.
one was 29 lbs and was bigger than the bushel basket we 
brought to carry it out.
We hope you all have good luck this year or have some good friends that will share some with you.
By the way after we opened a couple jars we found they
were 95% as good as fresh.
Thanks for letting me talk.
Don C &amp; Wanda C

&lt;em&gt;Welcome to you both - 

No great surprise to hear about a big haul - once you find a good tree it really is a gift that keeps on giving. I never can mushrooms because I don&#039;t want to bother with a pressure canner (important to use one for safety&#039;s sake unless the mushrooms are pickled with strong acid), but your experience is bound to inspire others... and it does open up room in the freezer. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi to all you lucky hunters.<br />
I live in Madison,WI. and for the last 35 years my Honey<br />
and I have never left the city limits to get these great<br />
mushrooms. We picked about 3 dozen one year and ended up<br />
canning 55 pints of mushrooms.<br />
one was 29 lbs and was bigger than the bushel basket we<br />
brought to carry it out.<br />
We hope you all have good luck this year or have some good friends that will share some with you.<br />
By the way after we opened a couple jars we found they<br />
were 95% as good as fresh.<br />
Thanks for letting me talk.<br />
Don C &amp; Wanda C</p>
<p><em>Welcome to you both &#8211; </p>
<p>No great surprise to hear about a big haul &#8211; once you find a good tree it really is a gift that keeps on giving. I never can mushrooms because I don&#8217;t want to bother with a pressure canner (important to use one for safety&#8217;s sake unless the mushrooms are pickled with strong acid), but your experience is bound to inspire others&#8230; and it does open up room in the freezer. </em></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bakaitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bakaitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 02:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kimberly,

As mentioned in the article, we give lots of it away fresh, a gift always welcomed.

Some of the remaining is prepared as a duxelles, some simply sautéed in butter and packed into single portion bags for the freezer, and lately some simply put into the freezer raw.  It re-hydrates easily and retains most of the texture and flavor.

My favorite method is to shred it into bubbling butter, add garlic, shallots, onions, etc. and finish with a splash of sherry.  Pack into quart bags and freeze.  In January one of these portions served over linguini is quick, easy, and superbly delicious.  One of the best uses of one of the best mushrooms I can think of.

Good luck collecting and bon appetit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kimberly,</p>
<p>As mentioned in the article, we give lots of it away fresh, a gift always welcomed.</p>
<p>Some of the remaining is prepared as a duxelles, some simply sautéed in butter and packed into single portion bags for the freezer, and lately some simply put into the freezer raw.  It re-hydrates easily and retains most of the texture and flavor.</p>
<p>My favorite method is to shred it into bubbling butter, add garlic, shallots, onions, etc. and finish with a splash of sherry.  Pack into quart bags and freeze.  In January one of these portions served over linguini is quick, easy, and superbly delicious.  One of the best uses of one of the best mushrooms I can think of.</p>
<p>Good luck collecting and bon appetit!</p>
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