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		<title>By: Melinda Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She probably can only afford the time for these laborious preparations b/c the real estate market is so down that she&#039;s not working much outside the home.</description>
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		<title>By: MaineMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaineMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the spirit of the thing, I thought I&#039;d try to make my own Chateau Haut-Brion (my apologies to Joan Dillon).  Then it occurred to me that - living in Maine and all - it might be easier to try making my own Berkasteler Doktor. I&#039;ve got the SE-facing rocky slope, and a basement that could pass as a wine cellar.  Now all I need are a hundred vines, more or less, of the same Riesling cultivar and a few odds and ends.  Like casks, bottles, etc.  

Oh, and I need to figure out how to live to age 113 or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of the thing, I thought I&#8217;d try to make my own Chateau Haut-Brion (my apologies to Joan Dillon).  Then it occurred to me that &#8211; living in Maine and all &#8211; it might be easier to try making my own Berkasteler Doktor. I&#8217;ve got the SE-facing rocky slope, and a basement that could pass as a wine cellar.  Now all I need are a hundred vines, more or less, of the same Riesling cultivar and a few odds and ends.  Like casks, bottles, etc.  </p>
<p>Oh, and I need to figure out how to live to age 113 or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Bladerunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bladerunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just commenting because I want to win the cherry preserves.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just commenting because I want to win the cherry preserves.  <img src='http://leslieland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your stove blue?  Cool!</description>
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		<title>By: fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I do feel that this is a topic that deserves attention. Clearly, most of us don&#039;t have time to make sauerkraut from scratch, or their own lard. But if someone wishes to experiment with it, God bless &#039;em.

I think the point should be to raise others&#039; consciousness, to help others become more aware of what they&#039;re putting in their bodies. But there has to be a balancing point, somewhere between sending us all back to the eighteenth century in terms of hard labor in the kitchen versus willingly consuming all sorts of unnecessary additives, food colorings and preservatives along with unhealthy doses of corn syrup, sodium and sat fats. 

Sometimes, pushing the limits of doability can be helpful because it makes more moderate efforts seem downright reasonable. Not everyone is prepared to become a Greenpeace activist to challenge Japanese whaling ships, but after learning of their courage in pushing the envelope, the more rational among us might be more inclined to buy dolphin-safe canned tuna.

I think that the degree of effort and time one wants to put into food choices is a very individual thing. For one person, growing brocco-spouts is a breeze, while someone else can&#039;t be bothered. To each his own. 

In short, I think there are a lot more distressing things to get excited about than a well-meaning effort to engage people in their food choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I do feel that this is a topic that deserves attention. Clearly, most of us don&#8217;t have time to make sauerkraut from scratch, or their own lard. But if someone wishes to experiment with it, God bless &#8216;em.</p>
<p>I think the point should be to raise others&#8217; consciousness, to help others become more aware of what they&#8217;re putting in their bodies. But there has to be a balancing point, somewhere between sending us all back to the eighteenth century in terms of hard labor in the kitchen versus willingly consuming all sorts of unnecessary additives, food colorings and preservatives along with unhealthy doses of corn syrup, sodium and sat fats. </p>
<p>Sometimes, pushing the limits of doability can be helpful because it makes more moderate efforts seem downright reasonable. Not everyone is prepared to become a Greenpeace activist to challenge Japanese whaling ships, but after learning of their courage in pushing the envelope, the more rational among us might be more inclined to buy dolphin-safe canned tuna.</p>
<p>I think that the degree of effort and time one wants to put into food choices is a very individual thing. For one person, growing brocco-spouts is a breeze, while someone else can&#8217;t be bothered. To each his own. </p>
<p>In short, I think there are a lot more distressing things to get excited about than a well-meaning effort to engage people in their food choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting reading, both your initial post and the subsequent comments.  As you allude to Leslie, in your last comment, the original blogger sets people up for frustration by insisting they change everything in their kitchen so drastically.

It is unrealistic, sweeping pronouncements like her challenge that cause people to throw in the towel, and just go to the nearest drive-thru!  A better approach in my opinion, would be to educate people on how to make smaller, meaningful changes.  But that wouldn&#039;t get the same &quot;internet ink&quot; as the big challenge, I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting reading, both your initial post and the subsequent comments.  As you allude to Leslie, in your last comment, the original blogger sets people up for frustration by insisting they change everything in their kitchen so drastically.</p>
<p>It is unrealistic, sweeping pronouncements like her challenge that cause people to throw in the towel, and just go to the nearest drive-thru!  A better approach in my opinion, would be to educate people on how to make smaller, meaningful changes.  But that wouldn&#8217;t get the same &#8220;internet ink&#8221; as the big challenge, I fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much, Maggie, for taking the time to post this thoughtful defense of the parts of the challenge that turned out to be helpful and useful to you. If I&#039;m reading you correctly, those things were (not exclusively but primarily) the support of your fellow participants and the instructions for home-making foods that can indeed be difficult to find. 
Neither of these is unique to the challenge; there are many web based and local ! interest groups dedicated to helping members look more carefully at their choices and also find, prepare and enjoy minimally processed, non-industrial foods. Likewise, if there&#039;s one thing the web is good for, it&#039;s instruction in techniques for rendering lard, making cheese, fermenting sauerkraut etc.

My unhappiness is not with the challenge&#039;s guidance in making these foods, and &lt;em&gt;certainly&lt;/em&gt; not with the mutual support, it&#039;s with the &quot;challenge&quot; framework itself and with the self-important, schoolmarmy tone of its organizer.  You are right that taking exception to these things was easier than &quot;actually slog(ing) through the &#039;data&#039; produced by the participants,&quot; but to the extent that I did slog - the right word for it, btw -  I found a wide disparity between them, from sensible people like yourself to fanatics who made Ms. McGruther sound like the voice of sweet reason.  

I do take exception to your equating my calling out of the challenge&#039;s tone and some of the idiocy it evoked with &quot;grab(bing) a Stouffer’s frozen dinner,&quot; because it&#039;s not myself I&#039;m trying to feed. If I&#039;m guilty of a bit of hyperbole, it&#039;s because after many years of writing about food and food gardening, teaching cooking classes, editing magazine food sections and other forms of outreach and outreach facilitation, I&#039;m distressed by sweeping pronouncements, rigid prescriptions and short term contests that have an uncomfortable similarity to fad diets. One way and another they&#039;re everywhere, but as far as I can see they raise more &quot;consciousness&quot; than confidence or competence, and they do it for people who are already quite strongly committed to reevaluating their relationship to food. 

To each his own and all of that, but when the pronouncements, prescriptions etc. get a lot of publicity there&#039;s a non-trivial downside. The literally millions of people who are just at the edge of change and might be helped forward by a gentle, user-friendly approach have all of their industry-fanned fears about &quot;elitism&quot; &quot; too hard&quot;  &quot;too expensive&quot; abundantly confirmed. 

All that said, I remain very happy you wrote, delighted the challenge was a positive for you and hopeful that others will also join in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, Maggie, for taking the time to post this thoughtful defense of the parts of the challenge that turned out to be helpful and useful to you. If I&#8217;m reading you correctly, those things were (not exclusively but primarily) the support of your fellow participants and the instructions for home-making foods that can indeed be difficult to find.<br />
Neither of these is unique to the challenge; there are many web based and local ! interest groups dedicated to helping members look more carefully at their choices and also find, prepare and enjoy minimally processed, non-industrial foods. Likewise, if there&#8217;s one thing the web is good for, it&#8217;s instruction in techniques for rendering lard, making cheese, fermenting sauerkraut etc.</p>
<p>My unhappiness is not with the challenge&#8217;s guidance in making these foods, and <em>certainly</em> not with the mutual support, it&#8217;s with the &#8220;challenge&#8221; framework itself and with the self-important, schoolmarmy tone of its organizer.  You are right that taking exception to these things was easier than &#8220;actually slog(ing) through the &#8216;data&#8217; produced by the participants,&#8221; but to the extent that I did slog &#8211; the right word for it, btw &#8211;  I found a wide disparity between them, from sensible people like yourself to fanatics who made Ms. McGruther sound like the voice of sweet reason.  </p>
<p>I do take exception to your equating my calling out of the challenge&#8217;s tone and some of the idiocy it evoked with &#8220;grab(bing) a Stouffer’s frozen dinner,&#8221; because it&#8217;s not myself I&#8217;m trying to feed. If I&#8217;m guilty of a bit of hyperbole, it&#8217;s because after many years of writing about food and food gardening, teaching cooking classes, editing magazine food sections and other forms of outreach and outreach facilitation, I&#8217;m distressed by sweeping pronouncements, rigid prescriptions and short term contests that have an uncomfortable similarity to fad diets. One way and another they&#8217;re everywhere, but as far as I can see they raise more &#8220;consciousness&#8221; than confidence or competence, and they do it for people who are already quite strongly committed to reevaluating their relationship to food. </p>
<p>To each his own and all of that, but when the pronouncements, prescriptions etc. get a lot of publicity there&#8217;s a non-trivial downside. The literally millions of people who are just at the edge of change and might be helped forward by a gentle, user-friendly approach have all of their industry-fanned fears about &#8220;elitism&#8221; &#8221; too hard&#8221;  &#8220;too expensive&#8221; abundantly confirmed. </p>
<p>All that said, I remain very happy you wrote, delighted the challenge was a positive for you and hopeful that others will also join in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to suggest that, like Madison Park, you are somewhat misrepresenting this challenge and perpetuating unbalanced reporting. I will give you one thing up front though. Jennifer McGruther’s ideas about food are extreme today. But she was only half the challenge. What the CNN article really did not accurately portray was what the participants, myself included, did with the challenge, and why.

I am glad I did the challenge. I learned a lot, although I am not convinced about some of Jennifer’s ideas and not inclined to worry about some others. But then, I’m a middle of the road kind of gal. Still, I appreciate, tremendously, the things I came away with that I do intend to continue to incorporate into my life. I grew up without any instruction in the kitchen and without any desire to spend time there. By the time I realized what I didn’t know, my life was where I am now: single mom of two teens, responsible for supporting my household, shuttling non-drivers to and from activities, helping with school work, and taking fifteen credits a semester to finish my degree so, hopefully, I can make enough money to pay for them to go to college too. Having someone send me one assignment per day toward improving my family’s diet seemed manageable. I had no idea, going in, what those assignments would be. I did lose my perspective and get kind of stressed about the whole thing part of the way through. But other participants straightened me out and I finished the challenge in a better frame of mind.

I believe that this challenge, like Pollan’s work, should not be taken uber-literally. When Pollan says “if it came from a plant, eat it” I am confident he is not really telling people to go eat digitalis. When Jennifer told us to toss all the processed foods in our kitchen, it got me to take a hard look at what was actually in my kitchen. I did toss a bunch of stuff. I also set aside a bag of things that the Boy Scouts picked up this morning for their food drive. And I continued to use some things that, by Jennifer’s rules, should have been tossed.  If you had read the weekly recap blog postings of the participants, you would have found that pretty much everybody else adapted the challenge to their individual situations too. 

I realize that it is far easier to bash the picture of the challenge Park lay out than to actually slog through the “data” produced by the participants in order to develop a balanced perspective. It’s also far easier to grab a Stouffer’s frozen dinner than to prepare a meal yourself. But neither of those easy choices is the healthy one.

Please also keep in mind that Jennifer McGruther told people how to do things. She encouraged people to try making cheese. She didn&#039;t say not to purchase cheese from your local dairy. But you know, not everybody has a local dairy! Telling someone how to render lard is not the same as telling someone not to buy pre-rendered lard from a butcher. And again, not everyone has a local, old-school butcher. I don&#039;t! Used to, but not for many years now. I really don&#039;t see anything wrong with encouraging people to try methods of food prep they&#039;ve likely never tried before, and that get them to think about their food from the ground up, especially in this culture where so many are so disconnected from food origins. Whether people continue to use those methods or not is really irrelevant if their consciousness about their food has been raised even a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to suggest that, like Madison Park, you are somewhat misrepresenting this challenge and perpetuating unbalanced reporting. I will give you one thing up front though. Jennifer McGruther’s ideas about food are extreme today. But she was only half the challenge. What the CNN article really did not accurately portray was what the participants, myself included, did with the challenge, and why.</p>
<p>I am glad I did the challenge. I learned a lot, although I am not convinced about some of Jennifer’s ideas and not inclined to worry about some others. But then, I’m a middle of the road kind of gal. Still, I appreciate, tremendously, the things I came away with that I do intend to continue to incorporate into my life. I grew up without any instruction in the kitchen and without any desire to spend time there. By the time I realized what I didn’t know, my life was where I am now: single mom of two teens, responsible for supporting my household, shuttling non-drivers to and from activities, helping with school work, and taking fifteen credits a semester to finish my degree so, hopefully, I can make enough money to pay for them to go to college too. Having someone send me one assignment per day toward improving my family’s diet seemed manageable. I had no idea, going in, what those assignments would be. I did lose my perspective and get kind of stressed about the whole thing part of the way through. But other participants straightened me out and I finished the challenge in a better frame of mind.</p>
<p>I believe that this challenge, like Pollan’s work, should not be taken uber-literally. When Pollan says “if it came from a plant, eat it” I am confident he is not really telling people to go eat digitalis. When Jennifer told us to toss all the processed foods in our kitchen, it got me to take a hard look at what was actually in my kitchen. I did toss a bunch of stuff. I also set aside a bag of things that the Boy Scouts picked up this morning for their food drive. And I continued to use some things that, by Jennifer’s rules, should have been tossed.  If you had read the weekly recap blog postings of the participants, you would have found that pretty much everybody else adapted the challenge to their individual situations too. </p>
<p>I realize that it is far easier to bash the picture of the challenge Park lay out than to actually slog through the “data” produced by the participants in order to develop a balanced perspective. It’s also far easier to grab a Stouffer’s frozen dinner than to prepare a meal yourself. But neither of those easy choices is the healthy one.</p>
<p>Please also keep in mind that Jennifer McGruther told people how to do things. She encouraged people to try making cheese. She didn&#8217;t say not to purchase cheese from your local dairy. But you know, not everybody has a local dairy! Telling someone how to render lard is not the same as telling someone not to buy pre-rendered lard from a butcher. And again, not everyone has a local, old-school butcher. I don&#8217;t! Used to, but not for many years now. I really don&#8217;t see anything wrong with encouraging people to try methods of food prep they&#8217;ve likely never tried before, and that get them to think about their food from the ground up, especially in this culture where so many are so disconnected from food origins. Whether people continue to use those methods or not is really irrelevant if their consciousness about their food has been raised even a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Americans LOVE extremes--in politics, in religion and now in the very secular world of politically correct food choices.  Somehow, simple common sense is not exciting or extreme enough for a lot of people.  The day I have to render my own gelatin from a calves foot is the day I turn to JELL-O for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Americans LOVE extremes&#8211;in politics, in religion and now in the very secular world of politically correct food choices.  Somehow, simple common sense is not exciting or extreme enough for a lot of people.  The day I have to render my own gelatin from a calves foot is the day I turn to JELL-O for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Scheid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Scheid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Leslie, on this great post--and no surprise that it has spawned such interesting comments!  I hope it will not be taken amiss if I raise a small word in defense of Michael Pollan:  I don’t think he&#039;s to blame here, but rather those folks taking his simple guideposts to absurd extremes. I really like the idea of eating food, mostly plants, not too much–but it’s never occurred to me (and I doubt it would have occurred to him) that this means rendering your own lard. Instead, we now take trips up to McEnroe’s Farm in winter for better veg than can be found at the local Hannaford’s, and we stop by Red Devon for decent bread. And I make absolutely sure my daily dose of chocolate (yes, for me, every day has an “s” in it) is from a wonderful chocolatier like Mondel’s on upper Broadway in Manhattan . . . . As a friend of mine said when we were both confronted with the specter of a low-fat diet (for reasons since disproved) and chose to ignore it: “Oh, so now we eat wheat grass and then we die.” I say, forget the wheat grass and home-rendered lard and just eat good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Leslie, on this great post&#8211;and no surprise that it has spawned such interesting comments!  I hope it will not be taken amiss if I raise a small word in defense of Michael Pollan:  I don’t think he&#8217;s to blame here, but rather those folks taking his simple guideposts to absurd extremes. I really like the idea of eating food, mostly plants, not too much–but it’s never occurred to me (and I doubt it would have occurred to him) that this means rendering your own lard. Instead, we now take trips up to McEnroe’s Farm in winter for better veg than can be found at the local Hannaford’s, and we stop by Red Devon for decent bread. And I make absolutely sure my daily dose of chocolate (yes, for me, every day has an “s” in it) is from a wonderful chocolatier like Mondel’s on upper Broadway in Manhattan . . . . As a friend of mine said when we were both confronted with the specter of a low-fat diet (for reasons since disproved) and chose to ignore it: “Oh, so now we eat wheat grass and then we die.” I say, forget the wheat grass and home-rendered lard and just eat good stuff!</p>
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